Hello! New member, but I'm a huge Tolkien enthusiast and have been reading/using the website's lessons for awhile. I run a roleplaying campaign set in Middle-earth, and we were able to hold a (rudimentary, scripted) conversation in Sindarin, which was really fun! I'm sure we probably butchered it.
A friend of mine was asking opinions on naming a sword for his own game - he was going for something poetic, like "Foe-flame" and he suggested "Glamnaur." That sounded wrong to me, and I suggested "Glamnor" instead, because the "naur" root is transformed in other names - Aegnor, Feanor, Baranor. Another friend pointed out however that "Glamnor" because it combines two noun roots (enemy host / fire) would be "Fire of Foes" and therefore rather a negative, harmful thing.
I realized through this discussion that I wasn't entirely sure why the "naur" root shortens to "nor" - what rule of the language is being applied there? It doesn't seem like an ordinary soft mutation.
Although Glam in Glamdring is glossed as 'foe-hammer', Glam itself means 'din, uproar, yelling, bellowing (of beasts, orcs)'. So I'm not sure your friend would want Glam anyway!
The word for 'foe' is Gûd, or 'enemy' is Coth
There are many many rules around creating compound words and names, and one of them is how the diphthong AU is treated. If it's the final element in a word (like Feanor) the AU changes to an O. If it's in the first element of a word it can either be an A or an O depending on its history (like the word Narwain, January).
Thank you! That explains it. I found the sidebar in the Names section that goes through all the rules. I knew it didn’t look right, but wasn’t sure why. Sammath Naur was the only name I could think of where the word root wasn’t modified. I do however have a follow-up question just to clarify that I understand the AU change.
The AU -> O change is only certain in the end of the word? If the compound is present in the beginning or middle of a compound word, it is treated differently based on the specific word. So the history of the original word being a long or short “A” determines whether AU changes to “A” (as in Narya) or “O” (in Glorfindel) depends on how the original root word was meant to sound? (naur from naro being long, and glaur from glawar being short?)
“Glarfindel” certainly doesn’t sound right, nor would “Norya”! I guess each time a word in question has the AU compound it needs to be interrogated to make sure it reflects its original sound as closely as possible.
Amy: Hello! I am confused about the verb nautha-. In lesson 17 the dialog at the start has “nauthog” for “you think”, then “semin” for “I think”. Is nautha- one of the irregular verbs? I can’t find anything else it in the lessons or dictionary. Thank you!
Jul 12, 2020 2:56:39 GMT
Xandarien: Suilad! There have been two verbs used for 'to think', I apologise for the confusion. There's Nautha- 'to conceive an idea, think' and Sam- 'to think. Sam- should have been removed everywhere as it was a reconstruction that we don't need. I'll change that.
Jul 13, 2020 8:47:43 GMT
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Jul 14, 2020 2:16:08 GMT
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Sept 11, 2020 15:15:50 GMT
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Sept 11, 2020 15:17:34 GMT
Teryn: Wow, this website is amazing! I started the lessons two days ago and I'm already using phrases with some friends of mine. Thank you sooo much for creating this, I can't tell you how helpful it is!!
Sept 14, 2020 23:34:15 GMT
Xandarien: You're both very welcome, and if you're 16 or over don't forget I have a Discord
Sept 15, 2020 19:46:27 GMT
Felix: what is your discord?
Sept 30, 2020 16:32:58 GMT
Xandarien: Please PM me for access
Sept 30, 2020 19:42:36 GMT
Adanedhell: Where did you collect all the knowledge? I mean the books of Tolkien etc.
Oct 27, 2020 16:47:28 GMT
Xandarien: There are essays and notes published in two journals called Vinyar Tengwar and Parma Eldalamberon, also in bits of The History of Middle-earth, odd words here and there really!
Oct 28, 2020 20:40:53 GMT